And
why was that?
I thought
he was a completely different rounded character. I could see were he
was going, and when people say that he's a villain... When playing villains
you have to find a reason to be someone. Hitler didn't think he was
a villain. He was one of course. Saddam Hussein doesn't think that he's
a villain, he knows when he's bad, but he doesn't think he's a villain.
And so I have to find the man of Walter Donovan, and of course the thing
that drives Walter Donovan, is finding the possibility of finding the
secret of eternal youth, eternal life. I challenge everybody, all your
questioners, Atilla the Professor and everyone, I challenge them, what
would you do, if you had the chance of having eternal life. That's quite
a question. Were would you draw the line. People say he was a Nazi,
he wasn't a Nazi, he joined the Nazi Party in order to investigate it's
property, and he bloody nearly got that. Only because he was greedy
did he... This is an advice for you young man: Always choose the Pewter
cup. It applies to everything. An allegory for life.
In
The Last Crusade you turned from a good guy into a bad guy. How did
you approached the role? (Question Submitted by Eric Fisk)
I think
I already detailed with that one really. All roles have a center. And
if you can find the center, and it sounds strange, there's a line running
from the center in the middle of everybody and if you can find that
line running thought the middle, other things happen, other things come
in place, and I needed to read the whole part. I didn't imagine him
outside the film, or what his work was. He was very successful, very
rich, gorgeous wife. Do you have a question about my wife?
No,
I don't think so, but I want to ask you a question about your wife if
you really want too.
It's a very interesting
question.
And he discovered the possibility
how he could live forever, and why shouldn't he want to live forever
because life is very good. He hasn't gone into the question if you would
like to be 150 thousand years old, which is how you see him in the end.
He hasn't gone into that question about eternal life, he hasn't thought
about the downside of that, and so I have to find the man with the fixation.
But I grew apart from that fixation and it was a perfectly nice comfortable
man to be with, so he get on well with people, and he shows himself
like that at the beginning of the film. He turns nasty when he's frustrated
with thought, as you would have done, if I refused to do this interview.
You would be furious and frustrated with thought. You'll knock my head
off. And that's the way you approach everything, every part if the part
is long enough. In Star Wars, it was nothing. He was called a functionary.
And this is what you needed to do; You needed to make him as interesting
as you could, with that little thing he had to do. He was a cog in a
machine. He wasn't like Darth Vader or R2-D2, he had a function. In
Indiana Jones and in 'For Your Eyes Only' and many parts I play on the
stage, they have a life, and you have to try to find that life, and
that's what I did really. And the question says he turned into a bad
guy, he didn't turn into anything. He was always the same, but his objectives
became different. If you think you’ve got the answer, you get the great
expert to help you, which was Indiana Jones, you're in a very good mood
and when it starts to go wrong, you get in a less good mood, and you
find out that the man who you trusted the man who wanted to do it, is
actually against you, then you start to behave in different ways, but
you're still the same man. You still have your heart and your hands,
and you still go to the lavatory every morning. Funny isn't that, you
haven't thought about the Queen of England.
Never
thought of that.
Think
about Harrison Ford. (Laughs)
Spielberg
and the script told you what to do, but did you also had any ideas.
(Question Submitted by Eric Fisk)
It doesn't
tell you what to do. It offers you the framework in which you need to
represent the character. Spielberg never tells you what to do, because
he's a very good director. He helps you to be more interesting. He talks
with you about what you think about this or that and let's try that.
Spielberg is one of the few good film directors and he adores actors,
and he adores film and timing. But he adores actors, and trusts his
actors. There were several occasions. All the acting was me although
like with anybody else. But I didn't changed anything to the script.
It was one wonderful time when Sean Connery changed the script, added
something in it, which remains in the film. And he did it while we were
doing when we were doing the first take of the scene. And we just all
fell in laughter, and Spielberg said "We'll keep that in" and this is
as follows: In the scene when it's being revealed that I'm the bad man,
and the two men were standing together, tied together, back-to-back
and they were talking about the girl. And Sean said 'Of course she's
German', Harrison said 'How did you know?', and that was not in the
script, and Sean said 'She talks in her sleep'. (Laughs) And you saw
Harrison's face then, because that was the girl who he was sleeping
with and it was his girlfriend, it was simply fantastic. We all died
with laughter. And that's one of the reasons why Steven is so wonderful,
and he said 'That's in the script'.
That was also
one of my favorite moments of the film.
It sounds
very funny in English, because of his strong Scottish Accent.
"She talks in her Sleep."
What
were your first thoughts when you were offered the role of Walter Donovan,
who was, at that time, the latest foe in?
How did
I feel about it?
Yes.
When
I was originally being approached of being in the film, I was approached
to do the German Officer Sergeant, that nasty vicious one, and I failed
to get it. And someone else in the theater organization that I joined,
did get it, and I was terribly jealous. I really wanted to be in Indiana
Jones. And the next day, they said 'Would you come and read for Donovan?'
And I thought 'But he's an American.' I only had one day, and they said
'Don't think, just talk to us.' So I put on a thing with an American
Accent that was specific. It was my attempt, and I just talked into
the camera, for about half an hour, about nothing at all, and I got
the part. I was so thrilled. I immediately went to a voice coach, a
dialogue coach that taught me an accent that upper class American would
have. I started to work on that, and I delighted it from the first moment
I start working on it, and unusually for film, I started with my first
scene. Normally you start into the middle to the last scene. So it was
my first scene, with Indiana Jones, a long scene, dialogue, important
stage setting scene, which I knew that couldn't be cut. It was absolutely
plot, and working with Steven Spielberg, and all this money, and my
wife, playing my wife.
So
you heard about Indy before you even acted in this movie?
I've
seen the first one and the second one. I was in the third right?
TIE.c:
Yes you were in
the third film [Last Crusade].
I thought
that the second one, Temple of Doom, wasn't very good. I adored
the first one, absolutely adored it. With the Star Wars, I think that
Empire Strikes back is the best of the three. It was more sophisticated.
But with Indiana Jones, I adored the first one. Disappointed in the
second one, and I thought the script has the chance to be better then
the other 2. Very well cast, don't mind me, and when I saw the premiere
with my wife and my son, who was then. What year was it made?
The
movie is 13 years old.
My son
was 20, and I came out and said 'Wasn't that great! What is it with
this film? What makes this film so good, apart from the money you see
all there.’ and my son said 'Because it's a really good love story between
two men, between father and son'. And the father and son theme is one
of the themes I was very involved with in my theater work as well, and
that's the reason for it, because it's a wonderful father and son story,
because you know that they adore each other really, but they can't stand
each other. And it's a film of getting together. And that's why it made
it a better film then just an adventure film. And that's my opinion.
And I think making a fourth one would be a terrible mistake. Always
go out on high, you know, Leave it there Leave it there! The numbers
of sequels I've seen where 'Oh no, not nearly as good, showing up the
same old stuff'. It doesn't get the same inspiration as the beginning
of it. And that's what happens with the Star Wars. It's not anymore
about people but about machines and special effects. That's my opinion.
Ford
said in an interview that he tries to get everything on the same level.
We hope
so, but you can't tell. You see, you get infected with your own success
and sort. Of course it's the most intellectual and intelligent actor
Harrison. With Spielberg it stands a very good chance, but it won't
have Sean Connery and it won't have Denholm Elliot, which were two fantastic,
powerful things in the film.
I
also heard that Sean Connery will play in Indiana Jones 4.
But it
can't be the same story, can it, about finding the father by the son.
If they start up being erasable with each other, like they were in The
Last Crusade, it can't be seem thing, isn't it? If they start to like
each other, it's different. It isn't the same thing anymore. They must
be conscious on this one. Of course when writing the script, they must
be planning this, there is no guarantee that this one is going to be
better. I think it's greedy. Leave it were it is. It’s gone out on a
high. Film people keep on doing this.
You
did well to understate the role of Donovan, but did you researched the
role in anyway, or did you conjure him out of your imagination?
(Question Submitted by Blue Max)
Out of
my imagination. I didn't research it. There's nothing to research. I
had to find his center line, and I think I did. I thought about it.
You think about things a lot. When you're riding on your motor bike
or in a bus, you think when you have a major role like that. You think
about it all the time. And a lot of that thinking comes on the set with
you, and you bring it in. And when the scene represents it self, you
play it in the way your mind is been going for the last few days or
weeks. You've been planning a long time before. It has been three months
before you accept the role and do 'That scene is difficult, and I'm
not sure I'm going to do it, oh yes I think I'm doing it, and at the
time you get there you usually do this and that'. So I didn't researched
it, no. It's not a historical part. When I played Alexander Duscene,
the first secretary of the communist party of Chech-Slowaky, then I
researched. Because somebody needs to be researched, books, photographs,
film. Walter Donovan, nobody knew about him. So I didn't researched,
except here (points at his head).
Do you prefer roles
in adventure films or more in science-fiction films? (Question
Submitted by Shipwreck)
This is rather the first
question. Any film, which is good, I prefer.
Because
it makes money?
No, it's good for me,
because it's a good film. I've been in many small films that didn't
make money at all, which I think they were wonderful, wonderfully made.
There was a black and white film, that didn't made an eye, and it was
one of my happiest films in my life. A really good film, never gonna
make any money. Never would. It seems a silly thing to say, because
it seems that I'm avoiding the question. I'm not. I like anything that's
good. I even like to make a film commercial, a television commercial
if it's good. In our business we spend so much time doing rubbish, just
doing on your living. And you have to do it. Because really good things
don't come very often. When they do come, a pleasure. That's the same
with theatre, which I do a lot of. But I'm doing much more theatre than
I'm doing film, because the parts are running out. So I am afraid that's
not satisfactory for him. I enjoy everything that's good.
Indiana
Jones 4 is coming up in 2005. However you're dead in the Indy World.
Very dead.
And old. But what
if you were still alive in the Indy World, and George Lucas would give
you a call, and asked you if you like to play a role in Indy 4. Would
you accept it?
I would kill for it.
I would kill for it. I would love to do that. Absolutely love
that. But it's not going to happen. It's like I'm wanting to do
another Bond film too, dead. (Laughs)
So
you would like to do more good guys?
Well funny enough, the
older that I got, the more good guys I've played. In classical plays,
you know, I'm trying to play good people. I think it's because I'm old.
Most horrible people in drama, I killed before they reached my age.
(Laughs) I do enjoy playing people who were nice, because I realize
that they too have a center. They're not all nice. Nobody is all bad
and all bad, and no one is nice and all nice. There are nasty secrets
in the Woodsherter, and finding those are very rewarding indeed. I've
been a very lucky actor because I played in so many films and so many
stage plays as well and I'm quite well known. But I'm not a star. And
so I don't have the downside of being a famous actor which has people
coming at you, spitting at you, kicking or hitting you, and every day
you can't go to a restaurant because people are talking to you. I used
to be a very good friend of Charles Heston. His life was a nightmare
in public. Absolutely a nightmare. He can't sit in a restaurant without
someone asking him for an autograph. And I don't get that. I have a
comfortable very, very good theatrical life, because I'm the sort of
actor that I am. The luckiest things that happen to me, were playing
in Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Bond. Out of those three, I'm very happy
that I can be here today, and you want to interview, which is very valuable
to me. So those are the luckiest thing in my life.
A very special thanks
to Julian Glover for his time and to Ralph for conducting the interview!